Richard H. Berg - 06:00am Sep 10, 1998 PST (#2884 of 2932) "has anyone seen RHB's system for the Bosworth battle? What did he call it? free form or something like that? or he said it wasn't sequenced or something like that. Wonder if he gives Richard III cannons? Or where he places the Stanleys? Could never understand if they arrived at the battlefield first why they would have separated themselves. Doensn't make sense. " KINGDOM FOR A HORSE (which will be shipping, or at least ready to ship, beginning of next week), covers all of that, and, amazingly, in less than 6 pages of rules. 1. The system referred to above is that of Continuous Movement; there are NO Turns. Play starts . . . and keeps going until one player wins, without and sequence endings, etcetc. (Much similar, to those who have it, to that used in Simple GBoH.) 2. Richard III has 3 cannon units; Henry 2. As the Histo-notes in the rules state, rather speculative. These were most likely rather crude, but moveable, small field pieces of minimal capability (and they do blow up). No Mons Megs here . . . 3. The Stanleys? I went for Lord Stanleys battle being seated along the 50-yard line, some distance to the north (on a rise); William's battle south of the bog. (There is much dispiutation as to where the Stanleys actually were, and whether or not they were deployed together or separatel7y . . .as I have chosen.) There is an allegiance/activation system for the Stanleys which is based on how the battle is going . . .with a tick up for the Tudors (as Ted suggested), if, alone, for the fact that the Stanleys were related to the Tudors by marriage. 4. Richard's big problem is not the Stanleys (altho it can be), it's that Northumberland was probably a traitor. He never moved during the battle, even when it was obvious that a fresh, reserve battle would have been most telling. Also in the game. Peter C. Re that Slingshot recreation, you wouldn't believe how many different dispositions are available for Bosworth. Almost as many as there are books. Iagree that the one they used seems a bit "off", if, alone, for the fact that it doesn't jive with what minimal period sources there are. However, it's probably no screwier than some other ones. To which I would add that, with all this discussion of hills and heights, etc., the land is not hilly near Bosworth, but very gently rolling. The main "feature", Ambion Hill is more a very (very) gentle upward slope . . .sort of like Cemetery Ridge in Gburg. Maybe even less. Of course, ALL of this is in KINGDOM FOR A HORSE . . . (the counters look quite good!!) RHB